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I never got any money from you

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be normal this is the saucer life a

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podcast in which we examine Concepts

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events for people orbiting the world of

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flying saucers few preconceptions snark

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when Justified no belief no debunking

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today we're going back to Florida by way

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of Augsburg West Germany as it was at

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the time to look at the very strange

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story of the Gulf Breeze six and

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particularly the role of a man named

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Vance Davis

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on the surface this isn't a story that

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seems to fit solidly within the UFO

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realm but it occurred in the midst of

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some of the Gulf Breeze sightings milieu

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and as we'll see there are elements that

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definitely fit into some of the broader

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themes that we cover here on the show so

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without further Ado let's Dive In

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difficult to know how exactly to

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structure stories that take place from

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several points of view for the Gulf

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Breeze six story I decided to handle

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things in the usual saucer life manner

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rather than doing anything weird and

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non-linear so what that means is that

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we'll be looking at the story initially

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Through The Eyes of how the public would

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have seen it with contemporary primary

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sources inserted where appropriate as

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usual so in keeping with that approach

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let's turn to the newspapers of Florida

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and wire services around the country in

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July of 1990 and first where with our

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old friend the Gulf Breeze Sentinel for

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Thursday July 19th 1990 page 9A if you

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want to check it out

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six arrested for deserting U.S army six

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U.S army soldiers were taken into

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custody by military authorities for

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being AWOL and transported to Fort

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Benning Georgia last Saturday the six

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were apprehended after one of the

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soldiers Michael J hookstadt was stopped

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by Gulf Breeze police officer Don

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Stevens for a broken tail light

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hookstadt had no identification and a

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computer check found him to be one of

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six soldiers wanted for being absent

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without official leave or AWOL four of

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the soldiers were found at Anna Foster's

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Home on McClure drive and Gulf Breeze

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and one a female was staying at a

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campsite at Fort Pickens when police

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went to the foster home Saturday morning

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the soldiers had several duffel bags

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suitcases and briefcases and about four

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thousand dollars in cash the six

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belonged to a group called the end of

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the world and claimed they came to this

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area for the Rapture which they believe

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will take place here in October

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soldiers have been sought by authorities

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since July 9th when they were found

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missing from their Military Intelligence

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unit in West Germany Gulf Breeze Police

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Chief Jerry Brown said that no arrests

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were made and they were turned over to

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the CIA and FBI before going to Fort

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Farson Wyoming the other five soldiers

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are William n setterberg 20 of

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Pittsburgh Pennsylvania Kenneth G Beeson

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Davis 25 of Wichita Kansas Chris P

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News covered the story and had an even

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more alarming headline six AWOL soldiers

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six soldiers reported by an unofficial

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military newspaper to be on a mission to

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kill the Antichrist were charged

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Thursday with desertion from their

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intelligence unit in West Germany

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Pentagon spokesman said a friend also

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soldiers arrested in this Florida

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Panhandle City a hotbed for UFO

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sightings was interested in unidentified

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flying objects and wanted to attend a

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some kind of Christian fundamentalism

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their religion doesn't really fall

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within the scope of the investigation

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counter-intelligence investigation

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secure information had been leaked these

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were intelligence analysts who knew

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cryptological stuff they had access to

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that point it seemed that there wasn't

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any evidence of actual espionage

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Stranger Than something as boring and

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a member of their unit told the

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newspaper Stars and Stripes the six were

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out to find and destroy the Antichrist

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the figure the Bible says will challenge

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Christ he spoke on the condition his

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name would not be disclosed Padilla an

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army spokesman at the Pentagon Wednesday

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retracted an earlier statement that the

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six were members of a group known as the

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end of the world but Stars and Stripes

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unit as saying that the cult has

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additional members in the area

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there are others who are upset because

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they didn't get invited to go along in

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the search for Antichrist the newspaper

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so what do we know about these soldiers

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have been prone to engaging in this kind

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of bizarre and unexpected Behavior

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in science fiction and UFOs and very

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gullible Stan Johnson told the Pensacola

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News Journal for a story published

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photographer said in a telephone

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interview that he picked up Beeson and

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airport in Knoxville Tennessee

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he was one of those people who believed

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anything someone would tell him Johnson

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said of Beeson the idea that he was

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arrested or that he was hanging out with

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cult-like groups didn't surprise me he

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kind of lived in a science fiction

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fantasy world sometimes Beeson told

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Johnson he was going to Pensacola for a

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ah so they were headed to that epic 1990

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mufon convention in Pensacola

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interesting or maybe not the convention

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the people had not been cited in Gulf

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intention was to go to the mufon

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convention they missed it but Beeson had

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told other people that the mufon

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convention was their destination

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Beeson told a similar story to his

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sister and her husband Carolee and

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Charles Reed when he spent the night

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Tennessee the Knoxville News Sentinel

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reported Thursday the reads said Beeson

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had met a woman named Anna when he was

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stationed in Pensacola and she got him

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involved with a group that believed the

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government was covering up alien visits

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official Donald Ware who we've heard of

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where claimed that mufon has not made

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any such policy statement about the

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covering up alien visits to Earth which

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is hair splitting of the highest order

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at many levels deeply committed to the

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notion that there was a cover-up going

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runaway soldiers on July 26th The Daily

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News carried the headline UFO soldiers

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won't face Court martial reporting that

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although they won't be court-martialed

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on Psychic input from Biblical figures

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and preparing for the World's End as a

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friend of one suggested did they plan to

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move to the west and live like a

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survivalist group as a police captain

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was there another explanation of the

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events that began unfolding when the six

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who held top secret security clearances

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don't judge them yet they have a right

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to defend themselves said Anna Foster at

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whose Gulf Breeze Florida home four of

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the six were arrested July 14th Foster a

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civilian described by authorities as a

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security clearances the six might be

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two days later it was reported that

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their fate had been decided the Army had

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discharged all six of them and they were

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out of the army there had been no

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specialist Beeson said that Beeson told

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him they had been quote chosen by divine

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intervention to help prepare for the end

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of the world which was supposed to occur

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going to be coming back in a spaceship

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now he was relaying what Beeson had told

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him I do not know of Stan Johnson thinks

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United Press International story from

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July 28 1990 provides a little more

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information about the final disposition

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of the six soldiers they were offered

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the opportunity to accept an Article 15

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non-judicial punishment process which is

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a phrase I could never say correctly

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desertion were dropped in favor of a

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lesser charge of being AWOL they were

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Pentagon said that the six received a

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general discharge from the Army we which

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dishonorable one so it says a general

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discharge which I looked up did a little

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bit of research about this and because I

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discharges and basically it's not an

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honorable it's not you know it's it's

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not something that will you know ruin

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your life it just means that there is

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something about your term of service

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um minor crimes that have been committed

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if you lose your security clearance as

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they did as a result of this process I'm

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not sure what you're going to do in the

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Army and you might be discharged because

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basically you're laid off it's like look

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you aren't able to do this job anymore

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um based on your actions and behavior we

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don't feel like completely retraining

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you for another job and so let's just

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let's just part company keep this in

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mind as we go through later iterations

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and retelling of this story particularly

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that General discharge thing

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if you were reading about this in

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newspapers back in 1990 this is pretty

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much where the story ends the six were

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left to go about their lives and try to

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rebuild them in some way one of the

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interesting things about the story as

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presented in the media is that we don't

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really get a good idea of what these six

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people's beliefs actually were or what

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they were up to or what their plan was

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you've got a lot of people interviewed

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who say what their beliefs are but we

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don't which is to say you get a lot of

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people interviewed who tell us what they

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say these six people's beliefs are but

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we don't get information directly from

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the people involved mostly because they

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were either at Fort Benning and Fort

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Knox and being subjected to lots of

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procedural stuff because they deserted

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so if the story had ended there it would

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probably be considered a Oddball adjunct

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to The Wider story of Gulf Breeze and

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the even wider story of the UFO

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phenomenon and belief in the phenomenon

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during the 1990s but sticking with this

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idea of looking at what's been written

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and said at the time all this was going

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on we can get a perspective of what some

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UFO oriented people were saying during

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all this and there's some out there on

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the bulletin board systems because those

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systems were very active at this time

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we've talked about UFO related bulletin

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board systems or bbs's before on the

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show so check out the archives if you

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have no idea what a bulletin board

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system is and I should say that as usual

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on the saucer life we are not examining

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every syllable of everything everybody

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said about something rather we're

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looking at representative examples of

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those things and providing a jumping on

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point for people who want to lose their

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minds going down various rabbit holes

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now as far as conversation within the

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UFO Community about the situation at the

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same time the situation was going on in

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July let's look at a July 22nd 1990 post

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by one of our previous subjects of

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scrutiny Bill English

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English as you may remember was most

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well known for a supposed Grudge 13

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report that he saw while on duty in the

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United Kingdom copied down long hands

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smuggled out and then distributed

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despite people trying to kill him the

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whole time he later largely got out of

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the UFO field and got involved in the

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right-wing militia movement in New

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Mexico he also had a hilarious spat with

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Bill Cooper and most recently attempted

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to run for the New Mexico State

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Legislature English explains that he

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talked to Clifford Stone a retired army

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Sergeant who had become a figure in the

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UFO field

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Stone told English that he had been

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stationed shortly before his retirement

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with the exact same unit as the Gulf

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Breeze 6 in Augsburg West Germany what

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Clifford told me that on more than one

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occasion the three would come to his

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quarters after duty hours and discuss

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with him the subject of UFOs and

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occasionally they would call him over to

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the tunnels at Brigade headquarters and

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show him bits of pieces of information

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they had gathered during the course of

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their duties that dealt specifically

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with UFOs Clifford knew these people

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intimately for over a year it is his

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contention that the story that is being

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publicized about them being a cult group

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who went AWOL to come to Gulf Breeze and

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meet the Antichrist on August the 6th

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and kill him is a bunch of crap as it

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has been pointed out by various other

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people it would seem that something is

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afoot and the Army is trying to cover it

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up either the individuals in question

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came across something that made them

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take the action they did or the

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government sent them there and are

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[Music]

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and on July 24 1990 a man named Vincent

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T migliori wrote to an unnamed gentleman

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with his own well it's plural unnamed

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gentle men with his own speculations

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uh caveat I have no idea who Vincent T

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migliori is if you know who he is please

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gentlemen here's an interesting little

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tidbit from the San Francisco Examiner

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July 23 1990. six U.S intelligence

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officers in Germany go away while

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looking for the Antichrist and wind-up

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of all places in Gulf Breeze Florida

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where the well-known wave of UFO

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sightings is occurring they were

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arrested just after the mufon conference

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there I can't help wondering if there is

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a connection and as Intelligence

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Officers do they know something the rest

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Vincent should have read the newspaper

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articles more carefully since they were

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not officers but enlisted personnel now

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as soon as the story broke a man named

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Robert J Durant of Pennington New Jersey

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wrote to the leadership of mufon with

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dear mufon please pass this letter to

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your Gulf Breeze crew I noted the

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enclosed article in today's New York

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Times pardon my paranoia but I believe

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this story is worth very careful

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scrutiny remember Watergate the first

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notice in the papers was a small article

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about the capture of several burglars

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attempting to break into the Watergate

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Hotel Business Center in Washington DC

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thanks to some luck a couple of very

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persistent investigative reporters and

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apparently some inside information the

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real story came out and out and out now

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we have a most unusual set of

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circumstances I key into certain words

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like intelligence van Gulf Breeze NSA

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also of interest is the fact that there

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is something called Corey station Naval

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electronic warfare center located within

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a saucer's throw of Gulf Breeze where

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two of the allegedly AWOL soldiers once

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trained

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then this crew of runaways happens to

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have four G's in cash and is living in

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an apartment and you guessed it Gulf

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Breeze with one more apology for my

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paranoia let me suggest this Bunch was

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not AWOL at all but on an assignment

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getting stopped by the cops somehow blew

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it and now there's a frantic attempt to

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cover it up in every aspect of the story

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needs to be followed up it may turn out

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to be just as Wacko and innocent as the

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newspaper report indicates but there are

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other possibilities and mufon has the

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Manpower and smarts to look into them

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there are some other interesting mufon

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connections as well on August 16 1990

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after the case had been um had been

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settled Rex Salisbury who we heard about

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on the Ed Walters

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episodes wrote a letter to the editor of

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the mufon journal with a copy to Walt

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Andrus describing a meeting they had in

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uh in August August 11th with the with

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four of the six Gulf Breeze people there

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are some interesting tidbits in this

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the six had been studying the Bible

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particularly Revelations as a loose-knit

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group and had become quite religious

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they claimed to have not been members of

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any religious group or cult because of

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what were possibly paranormal events

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they all suddenly got the urge at the

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same time to get out of Germany which

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they did they relate that similar events

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have continued to occur in Germany since

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their departure reports in the local

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media have indicated that they may have

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come to Gulf Breeze to meet with Ed

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Walters which they firmly deny they

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claim to have had slight knowledge of

471
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Walters until they heard his comments

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concerning them on local TV they claimed

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to have read one of Bill Cooper's

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reports and found in it some bearing on

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what they had been studying in the Bible

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because of this they had hoped to meet

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with Cooper at some point to discuss

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this with him they relate that the

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experiences which triggered their

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compulsion to leave Germany had nothing

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to do with their jobs or the US Army

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they claimed to have had good attitudes

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toward their work in the Army and

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repeated several times that they had to

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leave Germany and not the army they

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claimed to know nothing of a so-called

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end of the world group they also claimed

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to know nothing of the Identity or

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locate nation of any Antichrist or

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anything about a scheduled Rapture they

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credit a misinterpretation by the sister

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of one of the group as the source of

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I probably should have realized that

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Bill Cooper was going to come up in this

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story but

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I didn't until I read some of these

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documents actually I first noticed the

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Bill Cooper Connection in a document

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we're going to be examining closer to

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the end of this episode but uh it's nice

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to see that that Bill Cooper was out

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there with his nonsense influencing

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deserters from the US Army also from

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August of 1990 there's a letter to the

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editor of I think a mufon journal signed

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by the letter is typed but it's signed

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by somebody who is illegible and I

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should say I am getting a lot of this

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information from a PDF of a massive

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massive 100 plus page PDF of Gulf Breeze

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six information compiled by former mufon

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director and all around uh sharp guy

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James carrion and I found a link to that

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on the website of Jack Brewer the UFO

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Trail another sharp guy and an article

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he wrote on the Gulf Breeze six and

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there will be a link to that in the show

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notes so I just thought I'd mention

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where I got where I'm getting some of

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this stuff from as I'm talking about it

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but this this letter is uh is is a

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dear editor I was pleased to read your

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short article regarding the six soldiers

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reported missing from West Germany and

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were apprehended in Gulf Breeze after

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the muffon Symposium and closed our

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local news clippings regarding this

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interesting Affair from what I have read

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in between the lines it looks as if

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these men discovered bits and pieces of

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sensitive UFO data that should not have

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been seen whatever the data was it may

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have blew their minds to the point of

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escaping their posts secondly why were

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the men in Gulf Breeze of all the places

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on this planet true they missed the

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beautiful conference but maybe they were

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attempting to reach the Pensacola mufon

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the news media probably enjoyed making

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these soldiers into wackos but there

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reading between the lines that's just

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making things up there was nothing to

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suggest any of that at all but

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why else would they be in Gulf Breeze I

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don't know maybe it's because one of the

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people had training there and had a

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friend in the area I don't know maybe

548
00:21:59,690 --> 00:21:56,280
that would be something to do with it

549
00:22:01,970 --> 00:21:59,700
ah on similar lines an August 15th

550
00:22:04,909 --> 00:22:01,980
letter from a

551
00:22:09,049 --> 00:22:04,919
um hey what's his name Monty canson of

552
00:22:10,730 --> 00:22:09,059
North Merrick New York to a Mr Stacy a

553
00:22:12,890 --> 00:22:10,740
mufon person

554
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:12,900
um yes I I know all of you people

555
00:22:19,070 --> 00:22:15,600
probably know who a Mr Stacy associated

556
00:22:22,130 --> 00:22:19,080
with mufon in 1990 was but I do not and

557
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:22,140
I have to get this episode done this is

558
00:22:29,690 --> 00:22:24,720
an interesting uh interesting letter uh

559
00:22:33,950 --> 00:22:31,850
six soldiers discharged from the Army

560
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:33,960
who were found in Gulf Breeze had been

561
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:35,520
listening in on foreign and alien

562
00:22:39,230 --> 00:22:36,960
Communications for the US government

563
00:22:41,210 --> 00:22:39,240
they became aware of the aliens ideas

564
00:22:43,970 --> 00:22:41,220
and beliefs motives and activities by

565
00:22:45,890 --> 00:22:43,980
listening contrary to the U.S military's

566
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:45,900
intentions these soldiers became

567
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:47,520
converted to the alien's way of thinking

568
00:22:51,409 --> 00:22:49,200
which in accordance with its own very

569
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:51,419
different logic is quite alien to

570
00:22:55,490 --> 00:22:53,280
Earthly modes of thought especially the

571
00:22:57,649 --> 00:22:55,500
values of contemporary U.S society in

572
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:57,659
general and U.S military thinking in

573
00:23:01,370 --> 00:22:59,520
particular while Gorbachev's

574
00:23:02,810 --> 00:23:01,380
reinterpretation of Marx's ideas had

575
00:23:04,430 --> 00:23:02,820
little attraction for these soldiers

576
00:23:06,529 --> 00:23:04,440
they found the aliens thoughts

577
00:23:08,029 --> 00:23:06,539
irresistibly beautiful they joined the

578
00:23:09,529 --> 00:23:08,039
end of the world Group which is an

579
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:09,539
international organization of earthlings

580
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:12,000
who prefer the alien way of thinking to

581
00:23:16,430 --> 00:23:13,919
the various isms native to this planet

582
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:16,440
the name end of the world refers to the

583
00:23:20,510 --> 00:23:18,480
end of the world as we know it the end

584
00:23:22,130 --> 00:23:20,520
of the Earthly worldview the end of the

585
00:23:24,350 --> 00:23:22,140
world of greed and strife competition

586
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:24,360
and brutality the end of the world group

587
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:26,400
looks forward to the end of this world

588
00:23:30,770 --> 00:23:28,320
and to the foundation of a new world

589
00:23:33,230 --> 00:23:30,780
order based upon a million beliefs and

590
00:23:35,810 --> 00:23:33,240
principles Gulf Breeze is a center of

591
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:35,820
human alien contact and that's why the

592
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:42,289
Mr canton's points are only slightly

593
00:23:47,390 --> 00:23:44,400
undermined by the fact that in the very

594
00:23:49,370 --> 00:23:47,400
second story about this back in July the

595
00:23:52,930 --> 00:23:49,380
connection to any sort of end of the

596
00:23:56,029 --> 00:23:52,940
world group was disavowed and retracted

597
00:23:58,909 --> 00:23:56,039
but there is another little gem from

598
00:24:00,890 --> 00:23:58,919
Monty canson here canson not Canton

599
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:00,900
sorry another little gem that I think

600
00:24:09,710 --> 00:24:07,310
my mufon membership is about to expire

601
00:24:10,850 --> 00:24:09,720
and I do not intend to renew mufon's

602
00:24:12,649 --> 00:24:10,860
obsession with the wealth and

603
00:24:14,450 --> 00:24:12,659
credentials of informants and experts

604
00:24:17,270 --> 00:24:14,460
rather than their intelligence and

605
00:24:19,310 --> 00:24:17,280
competence so typical of the old Dying

606
00:24:21,710 --> 00:24:19,320
World Order I might add is completely

607
00:24:23,810 --> 00:24:21,720
unscientific and to me quite distasteful

608
00:24:26,750 --> 00:24:23,820
however in the interest of scientific

609
00:24:28,970 --> 00:24:26,760
knowledge I felt obligated to pass the

610
00:24:30,529 --> 00:24:28,980
above information on to you it is common

611
00:24:32,570 --> 00:24:30,539
knowledge in certain circles of course

612
00:24:36,909 --> 00:24:32,580
but your biased research methods cause

613
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:40,250
I I really like that your obsession with

614
00:24:45,649 --> 00:24:42,720
experts and money blinds you to the

615
00:24:48,350 --> 00:24:45,659
truth Buffon I don't know maybe not much

616
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:48,360
has changed obviously I think that if

617
00:24:52,909 --> 00:24:50,400
those deserves had gone anywhere other

618
00:24:54,890 --> 00:24:52,919
than Gulf Breeze Florida in 1990 this

619
00:24:56,810 --> 00:24:54,900
wouldn't have been nearly the story that

620
00:24:58,669 --> 00:24:56,820
it ended up being there were lots of

621
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:58,679
people out there connecting dots that

622
00:25:02,930 --> 00:25:01,200
might not have been there and to be fair

623
00:25:05,270 --> 00:25:02,940
those dots were scattered in the media

624
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:05,280
not necessarily by the people involved

625
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:07,440
in the actual case but others who were

626
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:09,360
speculating about what their goals might

627
00:25:15,169 --> 00:25:12,240
be and Reporting quite a bit of hearsay

628
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:15,179
so what did they believe and how did all

629
00:25:19,610 --> 00:25:17,039
of this come about we'll take a look at

630
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:19,620
that after the break

631
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:27,890
I would be remiss if I didn't mention

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48480 now let's get to some feedback

664
00:26:53,149 --> 00:26:49,440
from our Trio of episodes on Ed Walters

665
00:26:55,010 --> 00:26:53,159
is this is his Gulf Breeze encounters

666
00:26:58,130 --> 00:26:55,020
there were too many to address to

667
00:26:59,450 --> 00:26:58,140
collect directly not correctly maybe

668
00:27:01,850 --> 00:26:59,460
correctly

669
00:27:03,409 --> 00:27:01,860
um and uh some overlap but I think this

670
00:27:05,330 --> 00:27:03,419
selection sort of gets to the guts of

671
00:27:08,269 --> 00:27:05,340
what most people had Notions or

672
00:27:11,450 --> 00:27:08,279
questions or thoughts about and these

673
00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:11,460
are in no particular order because I am

674
00:27:16,669 --> 00:27:14,100
very disorganized first off on Twitter

675
00:27:19,070 --> 00:27:16,679
both Rob and Wade pointed out that the

676
00:27:22,730 --> 00:27:19,080
big-eyed kids pictures that Francis

677
00:27:25,730 --> 00:27:22,740
Walter Walters remembered were very

678
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:25,740
likely about the paintings by Margaret

679
00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:29,760
Keane and Wade included a um oh they

680
00:27:34,010 --> 00:27:31,260
both included pictures and Links of this

681
00:27:37,610 --> 00:27:34,020
and yes these are creepy kids these are

682
00:27:40,250 --> 00:27:37,620
these are sito's new friend level creepy

683
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:40,260
kids uh yes much creepier than what did

684
00:27:44,510 --> 00:27:42,000
I what did I think it might be Precious

685
00:27:46,250 --> 00:27:44,520
Moments figurines or something like that

686
00:27:47,630 --> 00:27:46,260
um yeah yeah I think the Margaret Keane

687
00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:47,640
paintings are probably what they're

688
00:27:54,110 --> 00:27:52,260
talking about on patreon Laura says I

689
00:27:56,210 --> 00:27:54,120
want a Ned Walter's action figure with

690
00:27:59,090 --> 00:27:56,220
optional UFO model

691
00:28:01,850 --> 00:27:59,100
don't we all that would if somebody out

692
00:28:04,669 --> 00:28:01,860
there has connections to toy companies

693
00:28:07,070 --> 00:28:04,679
or toy prototyping and wants to put

694
00:28:10,370 --> 00:28:07,080
together a Kickstarter for us all to get

695
00:28:13,310 --> 00:28:10,380
Ed Walter's action figures I would be um

696
00:28:15,710 --> 00:28:13,320
I would be all over that Patron Kyle

697
00:28:17,330 --> 00:28:15,720
says I remember reading that one of Ed's

698
00:28:19,490 --> 00:28:17,340
attempted abduction experiences the

699
00:28:21,769 --> 00:28:19,500
aliens beamed a slideshow of dogs into

700
00:28:24,049 --> 00:28:21,779
his brain similar to the experience with

701
00:28:25,549 --> 00:28:24,059
nude women beamed into his brain I've

702
00:28:27,169 --> 00:28:25,559
always found this puzzling especially

703
00:28:29,870 --> 00:28:27,179
considering that it's clear it wasn't it

704
00:28:31,310 --> 00:28:29,880
was a hoax did Ed want to suggest that

705
00:28:33,890 --> 00:28:31,320
the aliens thought he had a physical

706
00:28:35,810 --> 00:28:33,900
attraction to dogs did he want them to

707
00:28:37,310 --> 00:28:35,820
see more alien by scripting well he

708
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:37,320
seems to spend a lot of time with the

709
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:39,840
female beam him out the whole library of

710
00:28:45,049 --> 00:28:42,480
naked females well that didn't work try

711
00:28:46,610 --> 00:28:45,059
the dogs I just want your opinion

712
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:46,620
because this has haunted me for years

713
00:28:52,130 --> 00:28:49,679
and I I just want to hear an opinion I

714
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:52,140
think it's I think it's it's the the

715
00:28:57,010 --> 00:28:54,240
latter I I think he's trying to make

716
00:28:58,970 --> 00:28:57,020
them seem alien and bizarre and

717
00:29:00,370 --> 00:28:58,980
disturbing

718
00:29:02,990 --> 00:29:00,380
um and and

719
00:29:05,930 --> 00:29:03,000
there's so much of this that is that's

720
00:29:06,769 --> 00:29:05,940
really good that I really do like

721
00:29:08,750 --> 00:29:06,779
um

722
00:29:10,909 --> 00:29:08,760
and it's it's as at least it's a story

723
00:29:14,390 --> 00:29:10,919
not as a an attempt to get to the truth

724
00:29:15,470 --> 00:29:14,400
of the UFO phenomenon but it's it's just

725
00:29:19,690 --> 00:29:15,480
very

726
00:29:23,810 --> 00:29:19,700
of the

727
00:29:26,210 --> 00:29:23,820
made

728
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:26,220
Patron Kirk says to my knowledge back in

729
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:28,320
aprose Heyday there was a great deal of

730
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:30,240
variety of alien types do Ed's

731
00:29:34,610 --> 00:29:32,159
descriptions hail from that era prior to

732
00:29:36,590 --> 00:29:34,620
the hegemony of the Grays the hegemony

733
00:29:40,010 --> 00:29:36,600
of the Grays that sounds like a great

734
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:40,020
novel that you can pick up at the uh the

735
00:29:43,370 --> 00:29:41,279
discount bookstore after it gets

736
00:29:45,889 --> 00:29:43,380
remaindered or was that was my

737
00:29:47,930 --> 00:29:45,899
commentary or was he being Retro by not

738
00:29:49,610 --> 00:29:47,940
sticking to a primary type that's

739
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:49,620
interesting because they do have this

740
00:29:54,529 --> 00:29:51,840
sort of like retro blocky squared off

741
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:54,539
roboty sort of look uh that's described

742
00:29:59,630 --> 00:29:56,399
in the drawings and then in the

743
00:30:02,750 --> 00:29:59,640
abductions book from 94 it seems to be a

744
00:30:04,669 --> 00:30:02,760
little more stereotypical gray in a lot

745
00:30:05,930 --> 00:30:04,679
of cases I I think he was going for

746
00:30:08,090 --> 00:30:05,940
something a little different something

747
00:30:10,669 --> 00:30:08,100
something that wouldn't immediately jump

748
00:30:13,310 --> 00:30:10,679
out to a reader as oh the guy from the

749
00:30:14,990 --> 00:30:13,320
cover of that communion book so I I

750
00:30:17,090 --> 00:30:15,000
think that might be what it is kind of a

751
00:30:19,130 --> 00:30:17,100
kind of like like the the beaming the

752
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:19,140
dogs into his head an attempt to make

753
00:30:23,870 --> 00:30:21,120
something different than the norm

754
00:30:25,789 --> 00:30:23,880
similar to Laura's request for an act

755
00:30:27,889 --> 00:30:25,799
configure over on Twitter black wolf

756
00:30:30,590 --> 00:30:27,899
says can we get an ed Walter's one-man

757
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:30,600
show or book of Ed's profanity latent

758
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:32,880
monologues such as Ed Walter's 60

759
00:30:38,269 --> 00:30:35,520
monologues for young actors

760
00:30:40,610 --> 00:30:38,279
that would be great on Twitter cam

761
00:30:43,970 --> 00:30:40,620
Cashman says if he's still around I want

762
00:30:46,850 --> 00:30:43,980
Ed to design my house yeah he he seemed

763
00:30:49,070 --> 00:30:46,860
to have had a a pretty good solid career

764
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:49,080
in that I mean not so solid that he

765
00:30:55,070 --> 00:30:51,840
didn't sort of jump at the chance to uh

766
00:30:57,889 --> 00:30:55,080
get on the UFO train but still yeah he

767
00:30:59,630 --> 00:30:57,899
had a he had a real career there Leslie

768
00:31:01,730 --> 00:30:59,640
says what are your thoughts about

769
00:31:03,049 --> 00:31:01,740
photography expert Bruce Maccabee and

770
00:31:05,210 --> 00:31:03,059
mufon declaring these cheap fake

771
00:31:06,889 --> 00:31:05,220
pictures to be authentic I wish I could

772
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:06,899
hold mufon in higher regard but they

773
00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:08,399
just embarrassed themselves over and

774
00:31:12,350 --> 00:31:10,440
over again Matt could be ought to know

775
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:12,360
better and that's a whole different

776
00:31:18,110 --> 00:31:15,360
issue the pictures are difficult because

777
00:31:20,330 --> 00:31:18,120
the the Walters pictures are a mess

778
00:31:22,370 --> 00:31:20,340
there are other pictures from the

779
00:31:23,570 --> 00:31:22,380
sightings that aren't Ed Walters that

780
00:31:26,330 --> 00:31:23,580
are really pretty interesting but

781
00:31:28,850 --> 00:31:26,340
Walters is sort of dominated the scene

782
00:31:32,210 --> 00:31:28,860
as far as why mufon

783
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:32,220
would go along with this I

784
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:35,279
um I don't know Walt Andrus was in

785
00:31:38,269 --> 00:31:36,960
charge of mufon at the time and if you

786
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:38,279
read I was gonna say read between the

787
00:31:42,409 --> 00:31:40,320
lines of Jim Mosley's Memoir but you

788
00:31:46,490 --> 00:31:42,419
don't have to read between the lines

789
00:31:50,510 --> 00:31:46,500
um at all Andrus seemed to be very

790
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:50,520
desperately Clinging On to power at

791
00:31:55,210 --> 00:31:53,039
mufon with a white knuckle grip no just

792
00:31:57,529 --> 00:31:55,220
from what I've read in various places

793
00:32:00,590 --> 00:31:57,539
and I think

794
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:00,600
the the doubling down on the

795
00:32:07,789 --> 00:32:03,840
authenticity of uh of of the Walters

796
00:32:10,190 --> 00:32:07,799
photos even after you know his

797
00:32:13,490 --> 00:32:10,200
statements and and models come out I I

798
00:32:15,230 --> 00:32:13,500
think it's about not one desperately not

799
00:32:19,070 --> 00:32:15,240
wanting mufon to take the credibility

800
00:32:20,750 --> 00:32:19,080
hit of admitting they were duped so

801
00:32:25,370 --> 00:32:20,760
instead instead they take the

802
00:32:26,930 --> 00:32:25,380
credibility hit of saying that nope they

803
00:32:29,630 --> 00:32:26,940
haven't been duped everybody else is

804
00:32:31,970 --> 00:32:29,640
wrong which means at least the core of

805
00:32:33,889 --> 00:32:31,980
True Believers is gonna hang on if you

806
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:33,899
say you're duped you lose the Skeptics

807
00:32:37,850 --> 00:32:36,240
and the new Believers so

808
00:32:41,090 --> 00:32:37,860
um I suspect it might have been kind of

809
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:41,100
a cynical sort of Gambit to keep as much

810
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:43,440
support as possible another question

811
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:45,360
from Twitter from black wolf is Golf

812
00:32:49,370 --> 00:32:47,279
Breeze still a hot spot or is it mainly

813
00:32:51,169 --> 00:32:49,380
passed over as fraudulent well the the

814
00:32:53,389 --> 00:32:51,179
frustrating thing is that there were

815
00:32:54,769 --> 00:32:53,399
other sightings at the time and there

816
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:54,779
have been other sightings since then a

817
00:32:58,909 --> 00:32:56,399
little bit later in the 90s there was

818
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:58,919
another wave of sightings is it 97 or 98

819
00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:00,960
there was another wave of sightings in

820
00:33:04,970 --> 00:33:02,640
Gulf Breeze that weren't related to Ed

821
00:33:07,490 --> 00:33:04,980
Walters at all but everything gets

822
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:07,500
painted with the Ed Walters brush which

823
00:33:13,009 --> 00:33:10,799
is really kind of a shame

824
00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:13,019
DJ Maynard on Facebook says what does

825
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,600
Wilbur have to say on the issue Wilbur

826
00:33:20,210 --> 00:33:17,519
could not be reached for comment he and

827
00:33:22,029 --> 00:33:20,220
Mr Ed have been estranged since the

828
00:33:25,130 --> 00:33:22,039
incident in

829
00:33:26,690 --> 00:33:25,140
1965. Kenny Mitchell on Facebook says

830
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:26,700
I'm sure I've seen the model spaceship

831
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:28,799
on display somewhere did finding that

832
00:33:33,289 --> 00:33:31,200
model not completely destroy any last

833
00:33:34,269 --> 00:33:33,299
shred of legitimacy his stories might

834
00:33:37,850 --> 00:33:34,279
have had

835
00:33:39,409 --> 00:33:37,860
apparently not uh and and the he he sort

836
00:33:41,570 --> 00:33:39,419
of had this

837
00:33:43,070 --> 00:33:41,580
um sort of out with the model that he

838
00:33:45,529 --> 00:33:43,080
wasn't living in the house when it was

839
00:33:47,389 --> 00:33:45,539
found and it was planted there

840
00:33:51,169 --> 00:33:47,399
um if you want to believe this story

841
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:51,179
enough you find ways to overlook the

842
00:33:55,850 --> 00:33:52,080
model

843
00:33:58,130 --> 00:33:55,860
um Steve asks wondering if you could

844
00:33:59,870 --> 00:33:58,140
clarify exactly what was alleged to be

845
00:34:01,549 --> 00:33:59,880
found in Ed Walter's attic was it

846
00:34:03,529 --> 00:34:01,559
blueprints for a Model A model and

847
00:34:05,210 --> 00:34:03,539
blueprints the allegations I've seen in

848
00:34:07,130 --> 00:34:05,220
media have been varying with most only

849
00:34:10,430 --> 00:34:07,140
mentioning a model

850
00:34:12,349 --> 00:34:10,440
okay it's kind of weird and I I probably

851
00:34:15,710 --> 00:34:12,359
wasn't clear enough about it on the show

852
00:34:17,810 --> 00:34:15,720
so what happens is there is a model that

853
00:34:20,270 --> 00:34:17,820
is made and it's made from wood and

854
00:34:23,149 --> 00:34:20,280
paper and things like that and part of

855
00:34:26,329 --> 00:34:23,159
the paper that it's made from

856
00:34:29,629 --> 00:34:26,339
um were blueprints of a house that Ed

857
00:34:31,970 --> 00:34:29,639
was involved in building and the date of

858
00:34:33,889 --> 00:34:31,980
the house that

859
00:34:38,089 --> 00:34:33,899
um was part of the house whose

860
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:38,099
blueprints were part of the model uh Ed

861
00:34:42,589 --> 00:34:40,320
claimed was too late for the model to

862
00:34:45,050 --> 00:34:42,599
have been in use when the pictures were

863
00:34:47,089 --> 00:34:45,060
taken I was going to say I hope that

864
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:47,099
makes things clearer but I don't think

865
00:34:51,169 --> 00:34:49,200
it does but to make it as simple as I

866
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:51,179
can there was a model found the

867
00:34:56,990 --> 00:34:53,520
blueprints involved were blueprints for

868
00:35:00,290 --> 00:34:57,000
a house not blueprints for a model if

869
00:35:02,930 --> 00:35:00,300
that makes sense Gabriel says one thing

870
00:35:05,630 --> 00:35:02,940
that strikes me about Ed Walters is how

871
00:35:07,849 --> 00:35:05,640
the UFO experience becomes for him an

872
00:35:09,710 --> 00:35:07,859
opportunity for wish fulfillment via a

873
00:35:11,329 --> 00:35:09,720
performance of masculine aggression you

874
00:35:13,010 --> 00:35:11,339
see the same thing in Travis Walton's

875
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:13,020
account defending off his abductors with

876
00:35:17,150 --> 00:35:15,119
his Wicked karate moves and failed

877
00:35:19,010 --> 00:35:17,160
variation of it in Jon Stewart's UFO

878
00:35:20,930 --> 00:35:19,020
warning in which he unsuccessfully

879
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:20,940
attempts to protect his Paramore slash

880
00:35:25,370 --> 00:35:23,040
research associate from extraterrestrial

881
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:25,380
assault Walters and Walton's stories

882
00:35:29,390 --> 00:35:27,359
both have a strong sense of if them

883
00:35:33,770 --> 00:35:29,400
aliens tried to get me here's what I'd

884
00:35:36,770 --> 00:35:33,780
do absolutely I I absolutely agree and

885
00:35:39,410 --> 00:35:36,780
into that mix I would sort of throw a

886
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:39,420
guy named Daryl Sims who styled himself

887
00:35:44,810 --> 00:35:42,960
the alien Hunter for his attempts to get

888
00:35:48,650 --> 00:35:44,820
them aliens that are abducting people

889
00:35:52,190 --> 00:35:48,660
but yeah very much very much trying to

890
00:35:53,630 --> 00:35:52,200
be an action hero in a lot of ways and

891
00:35:56,210 --> 00:35:53,640
and I I didn't think about in terms of

892
00:35:59,569 --> 00:35:56,220
uh of Walter's account uh Walton's

893
00:36:02,030 --> 00:35:59,579
account but yeah as well finally a a

894
00:36:04,010 --> 00:36:02,040
question a comment a uh a a plea for

895
00:36:06,530 --> 00:36:04,020
help from Ryan

896
00:36:08,210 --> 00:36:06,540
as a child I recall being terrified by

897
00:36:10,370 --> 00:36:08,220
one particular UFO witness that I

898
00:36:11,810 --> 00:36:10,380
believe was on Oprah in the 90s there

899
00:36:14,450 --> 00:36:11,820
are two clips on Oprah's YouTube channel

900
00:36:16,370 --> 00:36:14,460
of abductees from the episode in the mid

901
00:36:18,170 --> 00:36:16,380
90s but neither of these were the ones I

902
00:36:19,970 --> 00:36:18,180
remember your Gulf Breeze episode

903
00:36:21,950 --> 00:36:19,980
brought to light Ed Walter's earlier

904
00:36:24,109 --> 00:36:21,960
appearance on Oprah do you recall an

905
00:36:26,030 --> 00:36:24,119
Oprah guest saying that something along

906
00:36:28,190 --> 00:36:26,040
the lines of they were outside in their

907
00:36:30,170 --> 00:36:28,200
yard in broad daylight and were chased

908
00:36:32,750 --> 00:36:30,180
by a hairless alien dog before being

909
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:32,760
abducted I have long researched for info

910
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:35,040
on this tale I only I know this is only

911
00:36:39,710 --> 00:36:37,440
tangentially related to Gulf Breeze but

912
00:36:41,450 --> 00:36:39,720
I figure it's now or never well I mean I

913
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:41,460
barely remember it so it could turn out

914
00:36:46,490 --> 00:36:42,960
to be directly related when I get the

915
00:36:48,290 --> 00:36:46,500
full story thanks I do not Ryan but

916
00:36:50,810 --> 00:36:48,300
we've got thousands of people out there

917
00:36:54,410 --> 00:36:50,820
who may remember it and may have watched

918
00:36:56,690 --> 00:36:54,420
more Oprah than I did in the 90s the I

919
00:36:57,950 --> 00:36:56,700
did not watch Oprah in the 90s you know

920
00:36:59,930 --> 00:36:57,960
honestly if I would have known there

921
00:37:01,910 --> 00:36:59,940
were alien abductees on it and hairless

922
00:37:03,950 --> 00:37:01,920
dogs I probably would have paid more

923
00:37:06,050 --> 00:37:03,960
attention so if anybody has any

924
00:37:08,510 --> 00:37:06,060
information on this Oprah episode with

925
00:37:11,569 --> 00:37:08,520
an abductee and a hairless alien dog get

926
00:37:13,310 --> 00:37:11,579
in touch because that sounds wild and we

927
00:37:15,650 --> 00:37:13,320
can help out Ryan here

928
00:37:18,349 --> 00:37:15,660
all right thank you so much for your

929
00:37:20,329 --> 00:37:18,359
your feedback and questions about uh

930
00:37:23,450 --> 00:37:20,339
about the gulf the the Ed Walters

931
00:37:25,490 --> 00:37:23,460
experience in Gulf Breeze um I think

932
00:37:27,470 --> 00:37:25,500
this maybe finally puts a bow on Gulf

933
00:37:29,450 --> 00:37:27,480
Breeze that would be uh that would be

934
00:37:32,030 --> 00:37:29,460
nice at least once we're done with the

935
00:37:33,770 --> 00:37:32,040
Gulf Breeze six who we should probably

936
00:37:40,130 --> 00:37:33,780
get back to now

937
00:37:43,730 --> 00:37:41,810
while things might have seemed to have

938
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:43,740
died down after the six were discharged

939
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,119
it wouldn't be long before the story

940
00:37:50,089 --> 00:37:47,520
resurfaced with some additional angles

941
00:37:52,250 --> 00:37:50,099
within a couple of years one of the Gulf

942
00:37:53,930 --> 00:37:52,260
Breeze 6 Vance Davis would increasingly

943
00:37:55,970 --> 00:37:53,940
be in the public eye with a slightly

944
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:55,980
different story about what happened in

945
00:38:01,550 --> 00:37:59,040
July 27 1992 interview with Nancy plevin

946
00:38:03,470 --> 00:38:01,560
for the Associated Press Davis revealed

947
00:38:06,770 --> 00:38:03,480
much about what actually happened

948
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:06,780
supposedly the headline Soldier gives

949
00:38:12,890 --> 00:38:09,599
reason he disappeared orders from Ouija

950
00:38:16,730 --> 00:38:14,810
when Vance Davis and five of his friends

951
00:38:18,290 --> 00:38:16,740
went AWOL it was reported that they had

952
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:18,300
gone to a Florida beach to await the

953
00:38:23,329 --> 00:38:20,400
second coming of Jesus Christ in the UFO

954
00:38:26,089 --> 00:38:23,339
no way says Davis how ridiculous can you

955
00:38:28,910 --> 00:38:26,099
get he says Jesus Christ is Jesus Christ

956
00:38:31,250 --> 00:38:28,920
why would he come in a flying saucer

957
00:38:33,950 --> 00:38:31,260
no says Davis the reason they left their

958
00:38:35,630 --> 00:38:33,960
Army intelligence post was quite simple

959
00:38:37,310 --> 00:38:35,640
Ouija board Spirits told them they were

960
00:38:38,730 --> 00:38:37,320
needed to help lead the world through an

961
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:38,740
impending cataclysm

962
00:38:44,270 --> 00:38:41,280
[Music]

963
00:38:46,670 --> 00:38:44,280
so why speak up now why not right after

964
00:38:48,770 --> 00:38:46,680
being discharged because quote according

965
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:48,780
to the Ouija Board race riots in Los

966
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:50,400
Angeles were to be a signal the group

967
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:52,560
should go public the others will come

968
00:38:59,089 --> 00:38:54,960
forward one by one depending on public

969
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:59,099
reaction to what he has to say end quote

970
00:39:02,930 --> 00:39:00,960
the article recounts the basics of the

971
00:39:04,370 --> 00:39:02,940
story but adds Davis's account of why

972
00:39:06,890 --> 00:39:04,380
all of this might have happened in the

973
00:39:08,990 --> 00:39:06,900
first place Davis said we decided to do

974
00:39:10,190 --> 00:39:09,000
some experimentation into things we

975
00:39:13,490 --> 00:39:10,200
wanted to see if there was something

976
00:39:16,250 --> 00:39:13,500
actually to it ESP parapsychology ghosts

977
00:39:18,050 --> 00:39:16,260
tarot cards nothing really worked until

978
00:39:21,470 --> 00:39:18,060
they tried a Ouija board and then Davis

979
00:39:23,810 --> 00:39:21,480
explained someone showed up I'm talking

980
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:23,820
spiritually the story of what happened

981
00:39:27,730 --> 00:39:25,680
next became part of an investigation

982
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:27,740
into Ouija boards on the fox program

983
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:30,720
sightings and it's nice to hear the

984
00:39:34,490 --> 00:39:32,640
voices of the people involved in these

985
00:39:36,290 --> 00:39:34,500
things sometimes you're going to hear

986
00:39:39,050 --> 00:39:36,300
from Vance Davis and you're going to

987
00:39:41,450 --> 00:39:39,060
hear from Annette Eccleston who by the

988
00:39:43,730 --> 00:39:41,460
time the show is recorded was going as

989
00:39:45,770 --> 00:39:43,740
Annette Levesque perhaps the most

990
00:39:47,810 --> 00:39:45,780
bizarre case involving the use of a

991
00:39:50,930 --> 00:39:47,820
Ouija board occurred two years ago in

992
00:39:52,970 --> 00:39:50,940
Augsburg Germany six U.S Army enlisted

993
00:39:54,770 --> 00:39:52,980
personnel analysts with high-level

994
00:39:56,750 --> 00:39:54,780
security clearances claimed messages

995
00:39:58,910 --> 00:39:56,760
from a Ouija board encourage them to

996
00:40:00,410 --> 00:39:58,920
risk their careers and imprisonment to

997
00:40:02,690 --> 00:40:00,420
care carry out the directions of the

998
00:40:04,430 --> 00:40:02,700
board only now have two members of the

999
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:04,440
group agreed to come forward basically

1000
00:40:07,370 --> 00:40:06,000
went to the Ouija board out of

1001
00:40:09,890 --> 00:40:07,380
frustration to find answers about

1002
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:09,900
ourselves and other things Davis claims

1003
00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:11,760
the Ouija board's responses were almost

1004
00:40:16,450 --> 00:40:13,920
immediate and that they spelled out the

1005
00:40:19,790 --> 00:40:16,460
details of impending worldwide disasters

1006
00:40:22,089 --> 00:40:19,800
in a period of about six months we

1007
00:40:24,770 --> 00:40:22,099
really only used the board seven times

1008
00:40:27,770 --> 00:40:24,780
the entities predicted to us the Gulf

1009
00:40:31,010 --> 00:40:27,780
War in May of 1990. three months before

1010
00:40:34,609 --> 00:40:31,020
it happened as we got more involved with

1011
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:34,619
using the board the information that we

1012
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:38,160
had received reached levels beyond our

1013
00:40:42,170 --> 00:40:39,440
imagination

1014
00:40:44,030 --> 00:40:42,180
over a six-month period the group

1015
00:40:46,609 --> 00:40:44,040
recorded predictions that foretold

1016
00:40:48,650 --> 00:40:46,619
increasingly catastrophic events they

1017
00:40:50,690 --> 00:40:48,660
believed the Ouija board was also urging

1018
00:40:53,930 --> 00:40:50,700
them to leave Germany and warn people

1019
00:40:55,849 --> 00:40:53,940
about these disasters we were told by

1020
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:55,859
the spirits to leave

1021
00:41:01,849 --> 00:40:58,640
the phenomenal part of this whole

1022
00:41:05,150 --> 00:41:01,859
situation is that we as a group got

1023
00:41:08,750 --> 00:41:05,160
together and in only seven sessions we

1024
00:41:10,970 --> 00:41:08,760
had enough information that convinced us

1025
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:10,980
that we needed to leave

1026
00:41:16,970 --> 00:41:14,640
on July 3rd 1990 all six soldiers went

1027
00:41:19,130 --> 00:41:16,980
AWOL their desertion triggered a

1028
00:41:20,930 --> 00:41:19,140
worldwide Manhunt and law enforcement

1029
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:20,940
agencies around the world were told to

1030
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:22,560
treat the deserters as if they were

1031
00:41:29,450 --> 00:41:26,160
terrorists in July of 1990 a group of

1032
00:41:30,589 --> 00:41:29,460
soldiers stationed in Germany left their

1033
00:41:34,130 --> 00:41:30,599
posts

1034
00:41:36,770 --> 00:41:34,140
and came to see me in Gulf Breeze to

1035
00:41:40,609 --> 00:41:36,780
discuss their paranormal experiences

1036
00:41:42,410 --> 00:41:40,619
I found that their experiences primarily

1037
00:41:44,690 --> 00:41:42,420
had to do with the Ouija board

1038
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:44,700
within days the six soldiers were

1039
00:41:49,730 --> 00:41:47,760
arrested in Gulf Breeze Florida by local

1040
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:49,740
authorities working with the FBI and

1041
00:41:53,870 --> 00:41:52,079
military police they were charged with

1042
00:41:56,569 --> 00:41:53,880
Espionage and taken to Fort Knox

1043
00:41:59,930 --> 00:41:56,579
Kentucky for interrogation we consider

1044
00:42:01,849 --> 00:41:59,940
ourselves dead gone we would not be seen

1045
00:42:04,190 --> 00:42:01,859
Again by our families and they had the

1046
00:42:06,109 --> 00:42:04,200
same feelings but that was not what

1047
00:42:08,089 --> 00:42:06,119
happened after the soldiers were

1048
00:42:10,670 --> 00:42:08,099
interrogated the case took a bizarre

1049
00:42:13,250 --> 00:42:10,680
twist in a break with standard procedure

1050
00:42:15,890 --> 00:42:13,260
the Army decided to release all six

1051
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:15,900
Soldiers with honorable discharges was

1052
00:42:19,370 --> 00:42:17,040
there a connection between the

1053
00:42:21,230 --> 00:42:19,380
unprecedented discharges and the Ouija

1054
00:42:23,210 --> 00:42:21,240
board's predictions all of our

1055
00:42:25,130 --> 00:42:23,220
predictions were documented the military

1056
00:42:27,890 --> 00:42:25,140
confiscated Oliver written notes after

1057
00:42:30,349 --> 00:42:27,900
we were captured two and a half years

1058
00:42:32,329 --> 00:42:30,359
ago so the government knows that our

1059
00:42:34,190 --> 00:42:32,339
predictions are extremely accurate but

1060
00:42:36,770 --> 00:42:34,200
for them to admit that publicly of

1061
00:42:39,130 --> 00:42:36,780
course is a different matter okay so a

1062
00:42:41,329 --> 00:42:39,140
couple of things there one these are

1063
00:42:43,550 --> 00:42:41,339
predictions of the future and they're

1064
00:42:46,190 --> 00:42:43,560
ones that have come true the Gulf War

1065
00:42:49,370 --> 00:42:46,200
the LA riots all kinds of interesting

1066
00:42:51,290 --> 00:42:49,380
things can't wait to get to those

1067
00:42:54,530 --> 00:42:51,300
writings that they have that are clearly

1068
00:42:56,569 --> 00:42:54,540
dated ahead of time in 1990 and can be

1069
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:56,579
used to easily prove that these

1070
00:43:00,890 --> 00:42:59,040
predictions actually did occur so that's

1071
00:43:02,210 --> 00:43:00,900
one thing that's interesting the other

1072
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:02,220
thing that's interesting and this is

1073
00:43:08,089 --> 00:43:04,560
something that was in that AP interview

1074
00:43:11,329 --> 00:43:08,099
with Vance Davis as well is the claim

1075
00:43:14,510 --> 00:43:11,339
that they were honorably discharged

1076
00:43:17,390 --> 00:43:14,520
and that is a claim that is going to

1077
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:17,400
be made over and over again as one of

1078
00:43:21,890 --> 00:43:18,960
the reasons why what they're saying is

1079
00:43:24,589 --> 00:43:21,900
true because if the government hadn't

1080
00:43:26,270 --> 00:43:24,599
known that there was something to what

1081
00:43:28,250 --> 00:43:26,280
they were doing and that it was of vital

1082
00:43:30,530 --> 00:43:28,260
importance why would they have gotten

1083
00:43:33,050 --> 00:43:30,540
honorably discharged well the answer is

1084
00:43:34,970 --> 00:43:33,060
they weren't honorably discharged they

1085
00:43:37,609 --> 00:43:34,980
received General discharges which are

1086
00:43:40,490 --> 00:43:37,619
not dishonorable but they are not

1087
00:43:42,770 --> 00:43:40,500
honorable there are negatives to getting

1088
00:43:45,770 --> 00:43:42,780
a general discharge you may not be

1089
00:43:47,690 --> 00:43:45,780
eligible for certain GI benefits you

1090
00:43:50,450 --> 00:43:47,700
might not be able to serve on Veterans

1091
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:50,460
commissions you might not be able to

1092
00:43:55,069 --> 00:43:53,040
re-enlist you do get your VA benefits

1093
00:43:59,150 --> 00:43:55,079
disability Health Care things like that

1094
00:44:01,609 --> 00:43:59,160
but it's not an honorable discharge and

1095
00:44:04,730 --> 00:44:01,619
to say it is is kind of shady in any

1096
00:44:08,510 --> 00:44:04,740
case back to the Ouija board and this

1097
00:44:11,329 --> 00:44:08,520
you know force or intelligence that told

1098
00:44:14,589 --> 00:44:11,339
them what was going to happen and that

1099
00:44:18,109 --> 00:44:14,599
they communicated with it's not aliens

1100
00:44:20,569 --> 00:44:18,119
necessarily but it is an alien-like

1101
00:44:23,870 --> 00:44:20,579
contact perhaps an encounter with some

1102
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:23,880
kind of exotic other what might it have

1103
00:44:29,450 --> 00:44:26,880
been what power did the group really tap

1104
00:44:32,030 --> 00:44:29,460
into was it their Collective unconscious

1105
00:44:34,370 --> 00:44:32,040
at work or were otherworldly Spirits

1106
00:44:36,650 --> 00:44:34,380
using the soldiers as a conduit for

1107
00:44:38,930 --> 00:44:36,660
their cataclysmic predictions what

1108
00:44:40,490 --> 00:44:38,940
people tap into this is Anna Foster

1109
00:44:42,530 --> 00:44:40,500
talking about you're experiencing a real

1110
00:44:44,690 --> 00:44:42,540
negative phenomena with the board is

1111
00:44:47,650 --> 00:44:44,700
what we call inferior Spirits or

1112
00:44:51,710 --> 00:44:47,660
low-level intelligence these are people

1113
00:44:55,569 --> 00:44:51,720
entities animals who have not migrated

1114
00:44:57,650 --> 00:44:55,579
to the next level of life so losers

1115
00:45:00,650 --> 00:44:57,660
apparently or people who have not

1116
00:45:03,170 --> 00:45:00,660
migrated Spirits or beings the short

1117
00:45:05,930 --> 00:45:03,180
answer is Anna Foster here is not

1118
00:45:08,990 --> 00:45:05,940
entirely sure what they're talking to so

1119
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:09,000
what sorts of disasters might be coming

1120
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:13,200
Davis and Levesque expanded on that a

1121
00:45:19,130 --> 00:45:15,359
little bit and Davis in particular

1122
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:19,140
talked about why he felt a drive to sort

1123
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:21,839
of get this information out there we

1124
00:45:30,109 --> 00:45:28,370
from different backgrounds and different

1125
00:45:32,270 --> 00:45:30,119
beliefs that came together and

1126
00:45:34,849 --> 00:45:32,280
experienced the same kind of phenomena

1127
00:45:36,770 --> 00:45:34,859
if I could make a difference in the

1128
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:36,780
world and if meaning going AWOL and

1129
00:45:40,430 --> 00:45:38,880
giving my life for that would make a

1130
00:45:43,010 --> 00:45:40,440
difference then to me that's a good

1131
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,020
sacrifice and I was willing to sacrifice

1132
00:45:48,650 --> 00:45:45,599
that also I felt the information we were

1133
00:45:50,690 --> 00:45:48,660
getting was important enough not to be

1134
00:45:53,150 --> 00:45:50,700
hidden if there's a possibility of it

1135
00:45:55,550 --> 00:45:53,160
happening people need to be told

1136
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:55,560
so far the group's predictions have been

1137
00:46:00,650 --> 00:45:58,079
startlingly accurate if their accuracy

1138
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:00,660
continues into 1993 they could be

1139
00:46:04,609 --> 00:46:03,119
tracking worldwide disaster the entities

1140
00:46:07,010 --> 00:46:04,619
that spoke to us on the Ouija board

1141
00:46:08,210 --> 00:46:07,020
predicted the LA riots two years before

1142
00:46:10,670 --> 00:46:08,220
they happened

1143
00:46:12,530 --> 00:46:10,680
looting and rioting did occur in Los

1144
00:46:14,690 --> 00:46:12,540
Angeles two years after the group's

1145
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:14,700
original prediction and their

1146
00:46:18,890 --> 00:46:16,800
predictions for the coming year future

1147
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:18,900
predictions the entities made to us

1148
00:46:23,329 --> 00:46:20,640
included a major earthquake in

1149
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:23,339
California in 93 with a magnitude of

1150
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,640
approximately 8.3 a major earthquake in

1151
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:28,560
Seattle in 93 which will trigger the

1152
00:46:34,690 --> 00:46:31,440
eruption of Mount Rainier a major gas

1153
00:46:37,550 --> 00:46:34,700
leak an explosion in New York City in 93

1154
00:46:40,130 --> 00:46:37,560
also the collapse of European royalty in

1155
00:46:43,309 --> 00:46:40,140
93 the forming of the United States of

1156
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:43,319
Europe in 93. as we're going to see far

1157
00:46:47,809 --> 00:46:45,359
more predictions would be forthcoming

1158
00:46:49,250 --> 00:46:47,819
but what's the end game here what are

1159
00:46:51,130 --> 00:46:49,260
they trying to do what's going to happen

1160
00:46:53,690 --> 00:46:51,140
after all of these catastrophes happen

1161
00:46:55,730 --> 00:46:53,700
back in the AP interview Davis said

1162
00:46:57,530 --> 00:46:55,740
quote when all this occurs we'll be gone

1163
00:46:59,690 --> 00:46:57,540
again the six of us will be somewhere

1164
00:47:01,790 --> 00:46:59,700
else people will be looking for us and

1165
00:47:03,290 --> 00:47:01,800
they won't be able to find us after the

1166
00:47:07,069 --> 00:47:03,300
thing occurs we'll come back out again

1167
00:47:10,450 --> 00:47:07,079
to help put the pieces back together so

1168
00:47:13,730 --> 00:47:10,460
Davis and the Gulf 36 are predicting our

1169
00:47:15,410 --> 00:47:13,740
catastrophes but they will also help

1170
00:47:17,569 --> 00:47:15,420
save us from them

1171
00:47:19,370 --> 00:47:17,579
but then at the very end there's some

1172
00:47:22,849 --> 00:47:19,380
other indication of what Davis's

1173
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:25,069
but meanwhile Davis says the group May

1174
00:47:29,329 --> 00:47:27,119
write a book follow up on a possible

1175
00:47:31,730 --> 00:47:29,339
movie deal and if offered do an

1176
00:47:36,349 --> 00:47:31,740
advertisement for Parker Brothers maker

1177
00:47:41,450 --> 00:47:38,410
come on now you all know what's coming

1178
00:47:43,609 --> 00:47:41,460
you can't deny that this phrase is

1179
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:43,619
running through your head right at this

1180
00:47:48,589 --> 00:47:46,319
very moment UFO might just as well stand

1181
00:47:50,690 --> 00:47:48,599
for unprecedented Financial opportunity

1182
00:47:54,170 --> 00:47:50,700
yeah yeah I know there aren't

1183
00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:54,180
technically UFOs involved but the the

1184
00:48:01,490 --> 00:47:58,560
awful sort of stink of the UFO Gulf

1185
00:48:03,950 --> 00:48:01,500
Breeze thing is is hanging heavy over

1186
00:48:05,690 --> 00:48:03,960
this like I said earlier if these people

1187
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:05,700
were to turned up in Birmingham Alabama

1188
00:48:11,329 --> 00:48:07,920
I don't think there would have been

1189
00:48:13,370 --> 00:48:11,339
nearly as much fuss as there was

1190
00:48:15,890 --> 00:48:13,380
so that's what was going on on

1191
00:48:17,809 --> 00:48:15,900
television and in that AP interview but

1192
00:48:20,089 --> 00:48:17,819
there's also official documentation

1193
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:20,099
about the Army's investigation which was

1194
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:23,760
Declassified in 1992 and included in a

1195
00:48:28,609 --> 00:48:25,920
book that we're going to be talking

1196
00:48:30,770 --> 00:48:28,619
about the origins of all this are a bit

1197
00:48:32,690 --> 00:48:30,780
convoluted in the story and to my mind

1198
00:48:35,329 --> 00:48:32,700
the most pertinent documents are

1199
00:48:38,270 --> 00:48:35,339
affidavits from Vance Davis Annette

1200
00:48:40,550 --> 00:48:38,280
Eccleston and Kenneth Beeson as well as

1201
00:48:42,829 --> 00:48:40,560
the summary of the investigation that

1202
00:48:44,510 --> 00:48:42,839
was done by the army they Vance Davis

1203
00:48:46,130 --> 00:48:44,520
and his affidavit explains that his

1204
00:48:47,630 --> 00:48:46,140
decision to go AWOL was based on

1205
00:48:51,410 --> 00:48:47,640
messages and instructions from the

1206
00:48:53,329 --> 00:48:51,420
spirit world that he received via the

1207
00:48:54,890 --> 00:48:53,339
Ouija board he says that when he was a

1208
00:48:58,370 --> 00:48:54,900
teenager he realized he had special

1209
00:49:00,770 --> 00:48:58,380
powers related to parapsychology he took

1210
00:49:02,450 --> 00:49:00,780
mind control courses he said and in

1211
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:02,460
later interviews and and talks we

1212
00:49:06,290 --> 00:49:04,079
learned that this was the Silva mind

1213
00:49:08,569 --> 00:49:06,300
control system available at better

1214
00:49:12,829 --> 00:49:08,579
bookstores and on Amazon

1215
00:49:15,710 --> 00:49:12,839
dot com as an aside I attempted to

1216
00:49:18,170 --> 00:49:15,720
engage in the Silva mind control system

1217
00:49:21,410 --> 00:49:18,180
and like anything that even approaches

1218
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:21,420
self-hypnosis it mostly resulted in me

1219
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:25,200
just falling asleep or getting bored

1220
00:49:30,829 --> 00:49:28,800
so later in Germany in the Army um Davis

1221
00:49:32,750 --> 00:49:30,839
and Beeson

1222
00:49:34,250 --> 00:49:32,760
who's in his unit experimented with

1223
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:34,260
Ouija board that

1224
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:36,720
that Beeson basically had purchased

1225
00:49:42,050 --> 00:49:39,599
mostly to disprove its power Davis said

1226
00:49:43,370 --> 00:49:42,060
let's try a Ouija board Beeson said no I

1227
00:49:46,670 --> 00:49:43,380
don't think Ouija boards are anything

1228
00:49:49,069 --> 00:49:46,680
but I'll buy one to prove to you I'm

1229
00:49:51,170 --> 00:49:49,079
right it turns out as Davis said that

1230
00:49:52,910 --> 00:49:51,180
the Ouija board is totally legit and it

1231
00:49:55,250 --> 00:49:52,920
provided information that corroborated

1232
00:49:57,050 --> 00:49:55,260
visions that Davis said he himself had

1233
00:49:58,730 --> 00:49:57,060
been having for a while that there would

1234
00:50:01,309 --> 00:49:58,740
be a middle eastern terrorist attack on

1235
00:50:03,530 --> 00:50:01,319
the east coast in 1990. he didn't know

1236
00:50:05,450 --> 00:50:03,540
what the targets were he believed there

1237
00:50:08,210 --> 00:50:05,460
were four of them or so Davis and his

1238
00:50:11,150 --> 00:50:08,220
associates decided that they had to on

1239
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:11,160
the advice of the Ouija board leave take

1240
00:50:16,550 --> 00:50:13,200
off head to the United States to warn

1241
00:50:18,770 --> 00:50:16,560
authorities about these attacks he

1242
00:50:20,770 --> 00:50:18,780
doesn't mention all of the other

1243
00:50:23,450 --> 00:50:20,780
predictions that he would mention later

1244
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:23,460
interestingly but he does assert that he

1245
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:25,200
had never removed any classified

1246
00:50:30,530 --> 00:50:27,599
materials and that he never shared or

1247
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:30,540
showed classified materials with or to

1248
00:50:34,670 --> 00:50:33,119
anyone Annette eccleston's affidavit is

1249
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:34,680
the shortest of them and in it actually

1250
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:36,240
basically goes over the timeline of

1251
00:50:40,430 --> 00:50:38,160
going to the United States Tennessee

1252
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:40,440
Florida their capture and everything

1253
00:50:44,930 --> 00:50:42,960
like that she also explains very very

1254
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:44,940
clearly that her reasoning for leaving

1255
00:50:49,970 --> 00:50:47,280
without authorization was in order to in

1256
00:50:51,950 --> 00:50:49,980
her words fulfill God's will she

1257
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:51,960
explains that she did not remove steal

1258
00:50:55,849 --> 00:50:54,000
or share any classified information

1259
00:50:58,010 --> 00:50:55,859
because none of the classified

1260
00:51:01,370 --> 00:50:58,020
information available had anything to do

1261
00:51:03,470 --> 00:51:01,380
with their mission from God now beeson's

1262
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:03,480
affidavit was longer than Davis's or

1263
00:51:08,569 --> 00:51:06,000
eccleston's and provides a bit more

1264
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:08,579
detail Beeson explains that he had

1265
00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:10,800
experienced psychic and Supernatural

1266
00:51:15,410 --> 00:51:12,960
phenomenon since he was a child when he

1267
00:51:17,329 --> 00:51:15,420
was a child about five years old a ghost

1268
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:17,339
appeared and gave him a glass of water

1269
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:19,920
which seems pretty nice actually and he

1270
00:51:24,829 --> 00:51:21,599
was having dreams that were sent as

1271
00:51:27,290 --> 00:51:24,839
Visions from God but he also began to

1272
00:51:28,730 --> 00:51:27,300
believe or wonder if these dreams or

1273
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:28,740
visions might have roots in the

1274
00:51:34,670 --> 00:51:31,440
Paranormal and psychic energy as well as

1275
00:51:37,010 --> 00:51:34,680
being spiritual so he and Davis and some

1276
00:51:40,910 --> 00:51:37,020
other of their group in Gulf Breeze

1277
00:51:43,849 --> 00:51:40,920
began to explore different means of

1278
00:51:46,730 --> 00:51:43,859
divination spiritual divination psychic

1279
00:51:48,829 --> 00:51:46,740
readings and things like that then they

1280
00:51:51,290 --> 00:51:48,839
hit on the Ouija board which she was

1281
00:51:53,450 --> 00:51:51,300
skeptical of first but then when they

1282
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:53,460
began using it he says they came into

1283
00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:55,920
the presence of a spiritual being called

1284
00:52:01,250 --> 00:51:59,040
Sapphire and Sapphire explains to them

1285
00:52:03,410 --> 00:52:01,260
what's going on and horrible things that

1286
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:03,420
are going to happen and based on this

1287
00:52:07,609 --> 00:52:05,760
they make the decision to leave when

1288
00:52:09,530 --> 00:52:07,619
they left they placed a letter in each

1289
00:52:12,589 --> 00:52:09,540
of their quarters that would be found by

1290
00:52:18,109 --> 00:52:12,599
investigators the letter explains things

1291
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:21,109
to whom it concerns we are of Sound Mind

1292
00:52:24,589 --> 00:52:22,319
and Spirit

1293
00:52:26,089 --> 00:52:24,599
you will want to hide this letter but we

1294
00:52:28,130 --> 00:52:26,099
recommend that it be forwarded to the

1295
00:52:30,530 --> 00:52:28,140
highest possible command the following

1296
00:52:32,569 --> 00:52:30,540
letter may sound wild but what was said

1297
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:32,579
about the apostles in Christ's time for

1298
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:35,040
it is said in the end young men will see

1299
00:52:38,930 --> 00:52:36,960
visions of that to come and hide

1300
00:52:40,910 --> 00:52:38,940
themselves away for the battle

1301
00:52:43,370 --> 00:52:40,920
may you understand and take warning in

1302
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:43,380
this time has come for a decision to be

1303
00:52:47,630 --> 00:52:46,079
made and they made theirs their Works

1304
00:52:49,849 --> 00:52:47,640
will be known throughout the lands and

1305
00:52:51,950 --> 00:52:49,859
many will be murdered for knowing them

1306
00:52:53,930 --> 00:52:51,960
you will search for these and thousands

1307
00:52:55,970 --> 00:52:53,940
more like them but you will be searching

1308
00:52:58,490 --> 00:52:55,980
for naught for God takes care of his

1309
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,500
elect and those that follow them please

1310
00:53:02,630 --> 00:53:00,480
take heed to the warning mentioned above

1311
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:02,640
these people that you will hunt for is

1312
00:53:08,510 --> 00:53:05,280
but a shadow to Blind Eyes you will find

1313
00:53:11,329 --> 00:53:08,520
traces of the wind which hides their

1314
00:53:14,510 --> 00:53:11,339
very lives for you who believe and will

1315
00:53:16,849 --> 00:53:14,520
carry God's death to the those of evil

1316
00:53:19,730 --> 00:53:16,859
heart you of the world listen carefully

1317
00:53:22,130 --> 00:53:19,740
the time is now to wake up your spirits

1318
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:22,140
and heed the warning I'm the last to

1319
00:53:26,809 --> 00:53:24,480
speak to you ever now the elect take

1320
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:26,819
over the mission of the Apostles these

1321
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:28,880
twelve were true to the gospel of Christ

1322
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:31,680
these you must search and find the

1323
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:33,359
spirit will guide you for safety to the

1324
00:53:37,250 --> 00:53:35,040
hidden places by God

1325
00:53:39,290 --> 00:53:37,260
surely they have ran upon God's orders

1326
00:53:41,329 --> 00:53:39,300
and will be written in the Book of Life

1327
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:41,339
and it was said in the end that a great

1328
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:42,960
shout would be heard around the land

1329
00:53:47,210 --> 00:53:45,359
then all would see the trembling of the

1330
00:53:50,089 --> 00:53:47,220
great king of the [\h__\h]

1331
00:53:52,490 --> 00:53:50,099
then from the heart cometh a great cry

1332
00:53:54,589 --> 00:53:52,500
of the chosen of God and the Mighty

1333
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:54,599
Warriors led by them

1334
00:53:58,670 --> 00:53:56,400
from the earth cometh the elect to

1335
00:54:01,609 --> 00:53:58,680
render the great king a murderous heart

1336
00:54:03,290 --> 00:54:01,619
toward the one called Jesus fire shall

1337
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:03,300
not touch those pure of heart and soul

1338
00:54:07,549 --> 00:54:05,760
when the Great king Falls to him and the

1339
00:54:09,290 --> 00:54:07,559
mouth of God came open and swallowed

1340
00:54:11,450 --> 00:54:09,300
those Wicked of spirit and those not

1341
00:54:14,329 --> 00:54:11,460
believing the truth of the seven

1342
00:54:16,670 --> 00:54:14,339
thunders of the seven angels for the end

1343
00:54:19,849 --> 00:54:16,680
and I've heard not the Thunder spoken to

1344
00:54:25,370 --> 00:54:19,859
me now we say farewell till that time of

1345
00:54:28,910 --> 00:54:27,589
oh yes it's all it's all it's all very

1346
00:54:31,370 --> 00:54:28,920
clear now

1347
00:54:35,930 --> 00:54:31,380
um it's it's like Book of Revelation fan

1348
00:54:37,970 --> 00:54:35,940
fiction it makes almost no sense the

1349
00:54:40,750 --> 00:54:37,980
most we can get out of it I think or the

1350
00:54:44,089 --> 00:54:40,760
most I can get out of it is a sense that

1351
00:54:47,089 --> 00:54:44,099
we've got reasons for going there's bad

1352
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:47,099
stuff coming but we're the good guys and

1353
00:54:51,710 --> 00:54:48,960
we are going to take care of all these

1354
00:54:56,270 --> 00:54:51,720
things and everything will be fine but

1355
00:54:59,450 --> 00:54:56,280
boy that that did not clarify things to

1356
00:55:01,910 --> 00:54:59,460
me I I do not believe it's very clear at

1357
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:01,920
all so there's something else left in

1358
00:55:08,930 --> 00:55:06,000
the quarters of the people who left the

1359
00:55:11,450 --> 00:55:08,940
base in Augsburg West Germany in July of

1360
00:55:13,250 --> 00:55:11,460
1990 and if we look at some of the

1361
00:55:16,190 --> 00:55:13,260
reports from the army that are

1362
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:16,200
reproduced in a certain book that I will

1363
00:55:22,730 --> 00:55:18,720
talk about in a little bit we can see

1364
00:55:24,349 --> 00:55:22,740
that there might have been more of a UFO

1365
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:24,359
connection between the Gulf Breeze six

1366
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:26,400
and and

1367
00:55:31,130 --> 00:55:29,280
what they were doing then it might have

1368
00:55:32,930 --> 00:55:31,140
looked from the newspaper reports

1369
00:55:34,970 --> 00:55:32,940
there's more to it than the Gulf Breeze

1370
00:55:36,730 --> 00:55:34,980
connection I think Gulf Breeze might

1371
00:55:39,890 --> 00:55:36,740
have been just a place they went because

1372
00:55:42,290 --> 00:55:39,900
Ken Beeson had a friend there as we're

1373
00:55:45,470 --> 00:55:42,300
going to find out but and as we've

1374
00:55:47,650 --> 00:55:45,480
already heard actually but it's it's not

1375
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:47,660
Gulf Breeze flying saucers that people

1376
00:55:52,670 --> 00:55:49,680
are that's the wrong connection

1377
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:52,680
something different is going on part of

1378
00:55:59,089 --> 00:55:55,920
the army report talks about an event at

1379
00:56:02,870 --> 00:55:59,099
the end of June that Ken Beeson and

1380
00:56:04,490 --> 00:56:02,880
Vance Davis visited so for most of the

1381
00:56:07,370 --> 00:56:04,500
report they're talking about the Ouija

1382
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:07,380
board experiences and it's things like

1383
00:56:10,370 --> 00:56:08,880
they're talking to a spirit named

1384
00:56:12,109 --> 00:56:10,380
Sapphire they think they might be

1385
00:56:14,750 --> 00:56:12,119
talking to the Virgin Mary and the

1386
00:56:16,549 --> 00:56:14,760
apostles hence the Apostle references in

1387
00:56:21,770 --> 00:56:16,559
the letter they left but there is

1388
00:56:26,750 --> 00:56:25,010
sometime in June 1990 while Beeson and

1389
00:56:28,970 --> 00:56:26,760
Davis were looking for the location of a

1390
00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:28,980
new wave store they came across a flyer

1391
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:31,440
advertisement for a 27 June 1990

1392
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:33,359
convention in Munich Germany about the

1393
00:56:37,010 --> 00:56:35,280
ashtar command the group's

1394
00:56:38,750 --> 00:56:37,020
Communications with the spirits revealed

1395
00:56:41,089 --> 00:56:38,760
that there were alien beings in outer

1396
00:56:43,370 --> 00:56:41,099
space and on Earth who had a role in The

1397
00:56:45,950 --> 00:56:43,380
Rapture and biblical description about

1398
00:56:48,290 --> 00:56:45,960
the end of the world the alien beings on

1399
00:56:49,549 --> 00:56:48,300
Earth tend to have an evil role and have

1400
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:49,559
the ability to take on a human

1401
00:56:53,690 --> 00:56:51,599
appearance some of the world's leaders

1402
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:53,700
may actually be evil alien beings in

1403
00:56:58,010 --> 00:56:56,160
Disguise the aliens in outer space tend

1404
00:57:02,809 --> 00:56:58,020
to have a good role and will come to

1405
00:57:09,290 --> 00:57:05,809
all right yes so ashtar command shows up

1406
00:57:13,069 --> 00:57:09,300
which is absolutely phenomenal now to be

1407
00:57:15,170 --> 00:57:13,079
clear in the file itself and this is a a

1408
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:15,180
what I have is a A reproduction of it

1409
00:57:23,210 --> 00:57:18,720
like a photocopy of it it actually is is

1410
00:57:26,690 --> 00:57:23,220
about the ash ashtarian command and it

1411
00:57:30,049 --> 00:57:26,700
says in parentheses phonetic so but I

1412
00:57:32,990 --> 00:57:30,059
think it's I think it's ashtar so while

1413
00:57:35,089 --> 00:57:33,000
at this convention they get in touch

1414
00:57:38,569 --> 00:57:35,099
with a German National identified only

1415
00:57:40,849 --> 00:57:38,579
as Gabrielle she ran the conference when

1416
00:57:43,130 --> 00:57:40,859
she discovered that

1417
00:57:45,290 --> 00:57:43,140
Beeson and Davis were in the military

1418
00:57:47,450 --> 00:57:45,300
quote she asked them if they were

1419
00:57:48,890 --> 00:57:47,460
familiar with the Cooper report when

1420
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:48,900
Beeson and Davis said they were not

1421
00:57:52,670 --> 00:57:50,880
Gabrielle explained that she assumed

1422
00:57:54,530 --> 00:57:52,680
they would know about this report since

1423
00:57:56,650 --> 00:57:54,540
they possessed top secret security

1424
00:58:00,109 --> 00:57:56,660
clearance

1425
00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:00,119
when I first read that I laughed so hard

1426
00:58:04,370 --> 00:58:02,160
because it's like here's this this woman

1427
00:58:06,230 --> 00:58:04,380
in German this Gabrielle in Germany he's

1428
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:06,240
like oh you're high-ranking military

1429
00:58:09,950 --> 00:58:09,359
people or you're highly you know

1430
00:58:12,650 --> 00:58:09,960
um

1431
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:12,660
cleared military people well you must

1432
00:58:16,790 --> 00:58:14,880
have read the Cooper report which is

1433
00:58:19,309 --> 00:58:16,800
interesting there's a new there's a

1434
00:58:21,710 --> 00:58:19,319
number of of Cooper reports so it talks

1435
00:58:23,950 --> 00:58:21,720
about the the Cooper report and the

1436
00:58:26,930 --> 00:58:23,960
Crash saucers and cover-ups and things

1437
00:58:28,670 --> 00:58:26,940
so what's interesting is they have a

1438
00:58:31,130 --> 00:58:28,680
copy of the Cooper report they notice

1439
00:58:33,710 --> 00:58:31,140
coincidences they notice parallels with

1440
00:58:36,289 --> 00:58:33,720
the Book of Revelation and and things

1441
00:58:39,470 --> 00:58:36,299
that that they've heard from the spirits

1442
00:58:41,890 --> 00:58:39,480
relating to the aliens and spirits and

1443
00:58:45,829 --> 00:58:41,900
the Antichrist and what they do

1444
00:58:48,170 --> 00:58:45,839
is they they want to make sure that

1445
00:58:50,510 --> 00:58:48,180
people the people above them who

1446
00:58:54,289 --> 00:58:50,520
investigate their

1447
00:58:57,530 --> 00:58:54,299
desertion from the base in Augsburg

1448
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:57,540
take things seriously and they want to

1449
00:59:02,030 --> 00:58:59,520
make sure that the Cooper report and the

1450
00:59:05,690 --> 00:59:02,040
letter that they wrote that we heard a

1451
00:59:08,510 --> 00:59:05,700
little bit ago are found and and you

1452
00:59:11,210 --> 00:59:08,520
know taken care of so what did they do

1453
00:59:13,250 --> 00:59:11,220
to ensure that their their writings and

1454
00:59:15,890 --> 00:59:13,260
these documents are not you know

1455
00:59:19,490 --> 00:59:15,900
discarded or overlooked

1456
00:59:21,829 --> 00:59:19,500
well they do this

1457
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:21,839
realizing the extraordinary and unusual

1458
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:23,520
nature of this information the group

1459
00:59:27,049 --> 00:59:25,440
wanted to make sure the US Army command

1460
00:59:28,670 --> 00:59:27,059
would take this message seriously and

1461
00:59:31,069 --> 00:59:28,680
avoid having some low ranking person

1462
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:31,079
throw this information away as religious

1463
00:59:34,670 --> 00:59:33,119
nonsense for this reason the group

1464
00:59:36,650 --> 00:59:34,680
purchased a stamp that they could

1465
00:59:40,010 --> 00:59:36,660
compose their own words and fashion the

1466
00:59:42,530 --> 00:59:40,020
label quote Top Secret magic unquote

1467
00:59:44,690 --> 00:59:42,540
only the Cooper report was stamped in

1468
00:59:47,089 --> 00:59:44,700
red on the top and bottom of each page

1469
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:47,099
with top secret magic classification

1470
00:59:51,049 --> 00:59:49,680
markings Beeson did not know if top

1471
00:59:53,089 --> 00:59:51,059
secret magic was an actual

1472
00:59:54,650 --> 00:59:53,099
classification marking they chose the

1473
00:59:56,270 --> 00:59:54,660
word magic because it was the project

1474
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:56,280
name for the US government project

1475
01:00:00,650 --> 00:59:59,040
concerning UFOs Beeson understood the

1476
01:00:02,289 --> 01:00:00,660
nature of classification markings and

1477
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:02,299
use of code words in sensitive

1478
01:00:06,049 --> 01:00:04,559
compartmentalized information he

1479
01:00:08,329 --> 01:00:06,059
understood the sensitivity of code words

1480
01:00:10,100 --> 01:00:08,339
and knew the code words themselves were

1481
01:00:13,210 --> 01:00:10,110
classified

1482
01:00:16,010 --> 01:00:13,220
[Music]

1483
01:00:19,609 --> 01:00:16,020
they bought a rubber stamp

1484
01:00:21,950 --> 01:00:19,619
they wrote top secret Magic on it and

1485
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:21,960
stamped the top and bottom of each page

1486
01:00:26,569 --> 01:00:24,720
of Bill Cooper's report so people

1487
01:00:28,370 --> 01:00:26,579
wouldn't throw it out as something crazy

1488
01:00:31,130 --> 01:00:28,380
this might be the greatest thing I've

1489
01:00:33,230 --> 01:00:31,140
ever read in my entire

1490
01:00:35,569 --> 01:00:33,240
time doing I was gonna say in my entire

1491
01:00:38,690 --> 01:00:35,579
life that is not true in my entire time

1492
01:00:42,049 --> 01:00:38,700
doing this podcast so clearly there is

1493
01:00:44,750 --> 01:00:42,059
some alien belief Crossover with the

1494
01:00:47,870 --> 01:00:44,760
Gulf Breeze 6. even though it doesn't

1495
01:00:50,870 --> 01:00:47,880
really have much to do with Gulf Breeze

1496
01:00:54,289 --> 01:00:50,880
apart from some personal connections

1497
01:00:56,809 --> 01:00:54,299
people had to the area one last thing

1498
01:00:59,569 --> 01:00:56,819
that connects sort of alien culture

1499
01:01:02,150 --> 01:00:59,579
things to all of this Gulf Breeze 6

1500
01:01:07,490 --> 01:01:02,160
stuff in the official report we learned

1501
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:09,349
personal interviews of beeson's

1502
01:01:13,069 --> 01:01:11,280
co-workers and one off duty associate

1503
01:01:14,930 --> 01:01:13,079
revealed he was a member of a group who

1504
01:01:16,970 --> 01:01:14,940
believed the Army was in Europe for

1505
01:01:19,309 --> 01:01:16,980
reasons involving contact with aliens

1506
01:01:20,809 --> 01:01:19,319
the group was going into hiding and

1507
01:01:23,270 --> 01:01:20,819
would surface to eliminate the

1508
01:01:25,130 --> 01:01:23,280
non-believers Beeson was paranoid and

1509
01:01:27,890 --> 01:01:25,140
living in a dream world that involved

1510
01:01:29,750 --> 01:01:27,900
aliens and UFOs Beeson believed the US

1511
01:01:32,329 --> 01:01:29,760
government was in contact with aliens

1512
01:01:34,490 --> 01:01:32,339
who they were providing humans for

1513
01:01:36,890 --> 01:01:34,500
experimentation and the Antichrist was

1514
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:36,900
coming to Earth Beeson also believed the

1515
01:01:41,089 --> 01:01:39,119
U.S established a joint moon base on The

1516
01:01:43,730 --> 01:01:41,099
Far Side of the Moon with good aliens

1517
01:01:45,589 --> 01:01:43,740
Beeson practice hypnotism but not the

1518
01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:45,599
use of a Ouija board or tarot cards

1519
01:01:54,289 --> 01:01:53,270
it certainly sounds like the person we

1520
01:01:55,970 --> 01:01:54,299
talked about

1521
01:01:57,950 --> 01:01:55,980
near the beginning of the program who

1522
01:01:59,569 --> 01:01:57,960
said that Beeson had a predilection to

1523
01:02:01,609 --> 01:01:59,579
believe anything anybody told him about

1524
01:02:04,010 --> 01:02:01,619
anything especially about aliens science

1525
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:04,020
fiction things like that might have been

1526
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:10,130
so where do we go from here well on our

1527
01:02:15,230 --> 01:02:12,480
next episode we continue the story of

1528
01:02:18,650 --> 01:02:15,240
the Gulf Breeze six with a closer focus

1529
01:02:21,349 --> 01:02:18,660
on Vance Davis who we heard from the

1530
01:02:24,530 --> 01:02:21,359
sightings TV show we're going to be

1531
01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:24,540
looking at Vance Davis's appearances on

1532
01:02:30,970 --> 01:02:27,599
Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell in 1994

1533
01:02:33,230 --> 01:02:30,980
and 1998 and

1534
01:02:36,589 --> 01:02:33,240
significantly we are going to be looking

1535
01:02:39,650 --> 01:02:36,599
at his book that I got

1536
01:02:41,390 --> 01:02:39,660
these things from because he provided an

1537
01:02:43,210 --> 01:02:41,400
appendix with all of the documentation

1538
01:02:46,849 --> 01:02:43,220
about this case the book is called

1539
01:02:48,650 --> 01:02:46,859
unbroken promises a true story of

1540
01:02:51,650 --> 01:02:48,660
courage and belief and it is Vance

1541
01:02:54,589 --> 01:02:51,660
Davis's story of his life and The Saga

1542
01:02:56,990 --> 01:02:54,599
of the Gulf Breeze six and that is what

1543
01:02:58,849 --> 01:02:57,000
we'll look at next time on the saucer

1544
01:03:03,049 --> 01:02:58,859
life

1545
01:03:06,829 --> 01:03:05,030
thanks for listening remember to send in

1546
01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:06,839
questions and comments via the usual

1547
01:03:10,370 --> 01:03:08,640
social media or email channels we'll

1548
01:03:12,710 --> 01:03:10,380
address those next time when we finish

1549
01:03:15,230 --> 01:03:12,720
up Vance Davis and the Gulf Breeze six

1550
01:03:17,569 --> 01:03:15,240
which is a great name for a band Vance

1551
01:03:19,549 --> 01:03:17,579
Davis and the Gulf Breeze six

1552
01:03:21,950 --> 01:03:19,559
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1553
01:03:24,650 --> 01:03:21,960
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1554
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:24,660
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1555
01:03:30,770 --> 01:03:27,839
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